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Needs more pre-croatian history

The reason is you can see the slav editors ignore history before their arrival (croats) in 11th century in this article. It clearly has to state the croats are invading settlers.Meroitte (talk) 07:37, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Šibenik tribe

I think you should get more on the sibenik tribe because i need to do a reaserch paper and it's due today. --164.92.250.9 14:51, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Nazi Germany

The article should make clear if Sibenik was made part of those states (Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany,...) or was just occupied by them. --Error 23:52, 13 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed, thanks. --Joy [shallot]

Name in other languages

This is in response to this edit and the edit summary of "so? does that mean we still need to retain Austrian imperialism even today?". If the German name does not apply here because the city is no longer under Austrian rule, then why leave the Italian name there - Šibenik is clearly not Italian or under Italian rule. I think either both the German and Italian names should stay, or both should be removed, unless there are very good reasons for having one and not the other. —King Ivan 10:38, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for taking too long to respond, I did not check the talk page here for several weeks. The reason why so many Croatian towns have German (and Hungarian and Italian) names is because for many years they were under the Austro-Hungarian empire (and Venice). However, that was ages ago, and unless the occupation had very significant impact on the city (like Venetian on Sibenik), then I see no reason to include it in, it just clutters up the front page and frankly, isn't relevant anymore. I think the best way of dealing with this is having the most important name(s) being put right next to Sibenik in the opening sentence, while all others being put in the history section. ie: Sibenik (German: Sibenning) was mentioned for the first time.......etc. If we were to add every name of every empire that occupied Croatia, we would have German, Hungarian, Italian, Turkish, French, etc all lined up!--Jesuislafete 06:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is obviously true that Šibenik/Sebenico with rest of Dalmatia was under Venice, but that's not the only reason why iy has an Italian name too. The point is, it was a city where the majority of population was Slav, again like the rest of Dalmatia, but it had a mixed culture, with slavic (croatian, but not only) and italian (venitian, but not only) elements. I'm not saying that makes of Šibenik an italian city, and I don't either think Dalmatia - neither under venitian rule, which made nothing to make Croats less croat or less slavic - was italian in present sense of the word. I'm just saying Dalmatia has a fantastic, plural history, and removing it would make Croatia a poorer nation. Just an other thing: Šibenik did not "resist" Venice. It was simply implied in long hungarian-venitian fights for sovereignty on Dalmatia, until that was sold to Venice in 1409. Then the cities of Dalmatia (and coastal Montenegro) proposed their submission pacts and Venice, with some changes, accepted them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.67.182.178 (talk) 12:44, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Croatian name in earlier documents

To stop any further possible disputes, here's a source from Croatian Academy of Sciences and Arts. Slava xenscha i protivni odgovor Giachova Armolvsichia Scibencanina Cvitv sestomv. - V Padui : po Giuliu Chriuelaru, 1643.. Printed in Padua/Padova in 1643. Front page [1]. Catalogue search result [2]. Šibenčanin = citizen of Šibenik (in Croatian). "Scibencanin" is older ortography form. Kubura 06:33, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology

Does šibenik mean "gallows"? It would be interesting to find out how the city got its name. Hoot (talk) 16:47, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It means reed in croatian. Šibenik is only cityon adriatic coast founded by Croats, and area was full of reed, so they called their city reed city or Šibenik. 93.140.239.190 (talk) 03:29, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Š

Where it is unavailable or not desired, the name may be represented as Sibenik...

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.212.111.58

Not really - such notion was reasonable in the past, but now, with spreading of Unicode standard, it should always be represented as Šibenik.

(talk) 20:19, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree on the proper use of the Š which does not even sound like an S. Let's keep diacritics as much as possible so we don't wash out languages and cultures.

ICE77 (talk) 22:41, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Foreign, non-English historical names

I don't see anything too notable about the historical non-English names for the town. They only interrupt the flow of the first sentence and should be left for the History section. History is full of examples where invading forces gave their name to the settlements, and there are more notable things to say with the first few words than what all those names were. Just recently, @OyMosby had a similar complaint. Ponor (talk) 14:50, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I cannot · count · the number · of times · user · LukeWiller · has put back · the problematic · unnecessary · sentence · back · in this article (...) without ever starting a discussion. So much edit warring warrants admin intervention. Ponor (talk) 18:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, and I've locked the page for a month. I see lots of references in the edit summaries to discussing this disputed text, yet there's no discussion, neither here nor on your user talk pages. Funny, that. @LukeWiller: You're edit warring. You've been around long enough to know better, and if you'd had the slightest warning I'd have blocked you for it. @Ponor: So are you, and in the future, AN3 is thataway. If the dispute is resolved before the month is up, ping me or ask any available admin to lift the protection. Katie^talk 01:51, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I still hold the same concern on the issue . I did initiate talks on the user talk page and was looking to see if there were other users with experience in such area to add input since both sides were in disagreement. I was aware that the stable article version did not have the historical names in the intro but was jot aware how many times it was being added. Definitely edit warring is to be avoided. OyMosby (talk) 22:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments on the article

1. In the history section, between 1797 and 1918, there is a huge gap of important history and Napoleon is not even mentioned once.

2. The culture section says "The 19th-century composer Franz von Suppé was part of the city's cultural fabric, as he was a native of nearby Split." which is something I would rather place in a section about curiosities unless the article explains the correlation between the person and its contribute to the culture of Šibenik.

3. The section on basketball says "The biggest success of GKK Šibenka, a club founded in 2010 following the dissolution of the famous KK Šibenik, came in the 2016–17 Croatian league championship season, when the club played the play-offs semifinals against powerhouse Cibona Zagreb. Šibenka lost to Cibona in the semifinals." This is an oxymoron.

ICE77 (talk) 22:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]